hi. i have been a student of astrology for many, many years. i am confused because your report does not appropriately reflect the relationship between my husband and i (and even gives us a "0" for sex!?).

it is simply not correct. not only because of the physical proof of our 13 year relationship, but also because every other astrology comparison/synastry rates our intimacy levels and sexual chemistry very high (liz greene, stephen arroyo, robert hand included).

we have definitely had our hardships (and like any marriage, as we continue to grow i'm sure we'll have more), but they have truly only made us stronger and more loving towards each other. our marriage is solid and beautiful and we are the very best of friends.

i have compared your analysis of my husband and i to your analysis with several other people/lovers that i've had throughout my life (i am 40 years old) and your report gives much weight and high ratings to relationships that i've had that were not nearly as fulfilling or meaningful or lasting (or sexual!). so, i'm curious. . .do you admit that sometimes things can "fall through the cracks" with your system of analysis?

here is our report. your insight would be much appreciated.

thanks!

I'm convinced you don't know your exact birth date and your husbands...My reports have been pretty accurate and they have been so for other people too. I believe the inaccuracies are due to not knowing an exact birth date which can change the report a lot.

Welcome aboard, janey, and thanks for the descriptive background to the dilemma.

I absolutely agree that had this report been used as a decision making tool for selecting your dream hubby, it would fail right then and there by not showing a rosy picture of strong supportive energies all around.

Yet, I took the time to study all of the 14 reports that you've produced so far (11 without duplicates), and what I saw made sense altogether:

The most fundamental quality in a long-term relationship is commitment, be it partnership, marriage, or life-long friendship. One may get around the absence of other qualities but not around the need for security that stems from true commitment to each other. Sure there are long-term marriages where mutual commitment was not exactly their stronghold, but you won't find one of those that could also be characterized by mutual growth, long-term vision, sympathy and understanding.

Your other relationships weren't blessed with strong commitment, lacking mostly on your partner's side. I'm not at all surprised that you cherish your marriage, invest in it, and appreciate its past, present and future. What you have here is the dearest of them all - solid commitment on both sides.

How do you feel about this observation?

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to: alex1 ~ both of our dates and exact times of birth were taken directly from state issued birth certificates. but you know, i've sometimes wondered about the accuracy of my husband's birth time. it states "12 p.m." which to me means noon. his mom, however, remebers him being born in the wee hours of the morning. i can see how a nurse could get confused and write down "p.m." for "midnight." i can also see how his mother, who has had five children and is in her seventies, now, could maybe have a diminished memory at this point (and she has in fact admitted that she's not sure she remebers correctly). so that's why i ran a report with each of those times. in our case, it did not make much difference in the results of your reports, though. anyway, i ultimately default to the actual birth time on the official record because that's what i've got.

to: topsynergy ~ i appreciate your thoughtful reply. i do believe that your reflections illustrate a good part of what is the magic that holds our relationship together.

i want you to know that i've viewed many of your reports for other people and they do seem pretty accurate. i am not wanting to put up any fights. . .i am just curious to explore why it doesn't accurately reflect my husband's and mine experience of our relationship.

for instance, when rating sexual compatibility (as an example), perhaps your system gives a lot of weight to venus/mars aspects and eighth house placements -- which would be obvious, important, and pretty standard for determining sexual attractions. but maybe it does not give as much weight weight to more subtle yet just as meaningful aspects, (such as my chiron falls in my husband's eight house, and his chiron falls into mine. . .resulting in deep and mutual tenderness, "knowing," and healing energies).

the rating your system gives my husband and i for love is "24" and friendship is "40." yet, my venus conjuncts his sun, his moon, and his venus (and it sextiles his ascendant)! pretty powerful stuff. how can that rate a "24"? what would trump a triple venus conjunction of the most personal planets?

synastry aside, the fact is that my husband's mars is in aries and it falls in his eighth house. this is a pretty sexual guy that i'm married to, no denying it. coupled with the fact that he was a musician for the duration of his twenties. . .let's just say he is not lacking in experience in that particular realm. this is a man with a huge sex drive who has experience and knows what he wants. and let's just say that i was a pretty independent woman before i met him. so we have plenty of experiences to compare to. we have amazing sexual compatiblity -- it's just a fact.

our sexual chemistry is what we initially based our entire relationship on. we couldn't get enough of each other. our chemistry drove us and everyone around us crazy, for years, (and while we're older and admittedly less energetic these days), people still comment on it now, 13 years later.

and your system gives us a "zero" for sex. (truly, i was expecting at least a 130).

an astrology report can't change reality. so all i'm saying is that while your reports are mostly, for many people, pretty acurate, they are not obviously always spot on and i was hoping you would either have an explination or at least be open to admitting that sometimes things can "fall through the cracks."

thanks!

I think there will always be exceptions from any "rule". Anyway, what difference does it make to you if someone admitts what you ask for or not? It could be a method to discredit someone or something for no good reason. If you're sure of your relationship then nothing anyone says will really matter. I was perhaps hoping you would say you were expecting to help somehow improve the method rather than have someone openly say it's not a perfect system. Maybe my expectations are generally too high.

I'm happy to announce that the relationships analyst platform is far from perfection. Here are just a few core imperfections:

1. Its pretense is to offer digital representation to the most complex and analogue world of relationships;

2. It takes into account the position of the stars at a person's time of birth. It doesn't allow for environmental and cultural influences, childhood and upbringing experiences, different cultural-, social-, political-, religious-, and other background factors between people, as well as difference in their accumulated experience or inexperience.

2. There's a devision-by-zero problem with about 8% of the natives, where the aggregated Cosmodynes Power for one or two of the parties equal zero or nears that value;

3. Many people are born in cesarean, induced or other labors where natural process was affected by human touch. These can all have a considerable affect on astrological assumptions;

4. The further we try to mold the original Cosmodynes results into secondary and even third-tier models, the more room we leave for misrepresentation, anomalies, and loss of the fine points that impact the overall relationship.

The best side of the report is that it makes people think about themselves and about their relationships in very clear and precise terms of commitment, intimacy, etc. This model on its own offers a great vista into a person's patterns and a methodological guide to possible changes. From here on we should all trust our own power to shape our relationships into whatever we want them to become.

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truly, i appreciate your replies. based on what you have written, it appears that you are both knowledgeable & thoughtful and care about this site (and your readers as well). your final statements are exactly what i was searching for and i thank you very much for addressing my concern.

alex1~ it was not my intention to try to discredit. not at all. in asking for confirmation from you i felt i was trying to help improve the method. i think for the most part you have developed an accurate and useful tool. but it's always good to discuss the ever present nuances that are a part of the art & science of astrology, especially for those that are still impressionable and may be relying solely on others for interpretation. i apologize if i in any way seemed disrespectful.

shlomo tommer. . .thank you. your final paragraph is absolutely beautiful and perfectly illustrates the best and most responsible use of astrology and ultimately our own free will. i appreciate your insights and your honesty.

i also appreciate being given the freedom to express my own thoughts on your site without being ignored or censored. thank you very much. you have been very helpful.

Dear Janey, this is the right time and place to express our appreciation to Alex for all the time and efforts that she puts into the forums. Alex is a member just like you are, that took upon herself to help others in any way she can. Thank you, Alex so very much.

Since we agree about the balance that needs to be maintained between using astrology as a self-study guide while maintaining leadership and accepting responsibility in the navigation of our boat in the sea of life, I invite you Janey to write an essay about the subject and how you view proper use of astrology. With your fine writing skills, knowledge, and spiritual balance I'm sure that it will be a useful resource to many.

What say ya'?

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I really don't think Janey or anyone at all needs to thanks me for anything. I really didn't do more than other members did or yourself.
And Janey you're right, I might have interpreted your posts the wrong way.